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Karen Davis's avatar

Oh my, this is wonderful. I literally laughed out loud at the tasting snow comment. It's sad to know even back then we didn't treat our hospital workers well (my grandmother was a nurse for 50 years). I lived in Dallas briefly and the day it snowed like 1/2 inch a friend called and said "don't go to work". I'm like it's 1/2" of snow and I only have to drive 2 miles? He's like "no one else can drive in it and someone will hit you". I hope you get your snow! They were saying 6-14" here (Kansas City) but this morning we got more like 2 (and that seems generous) and now they are saying wave 2 will mostly miss us and maybe we'll end up with 3" at best. We need moisture and honestly I was hoping for a little bit more snow this time too! Good luck.

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Jackie Dana's avatar

So far we’ve gotten a good coating of sleet/snow on the roads, making driving hazardous, but there’s almost nothing on the grass. They’re still saying there’s more coming, but it’s hard to believe that when I look at the radar. So I’m feeling a little discouraged but maybe this is just setting the stage and making sure the ground is cold enough for the big snowfall to come?

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Mark Dolan's avatar

This was well done Jackie. I grew up in Western New York (Buffalo suburbs) which has become synonymous with snow. I have now lived a great portion of my life in Minnesota where the snow is less but the weather can be defining. Your story captures many of the wonders of snow. As you might imagine the snow stories of Buffalo can be a bit ridiculous. I remember the post script to the blizzard in 1977 when the eventual melt came, cars were found under enormous snow piles including one in front of my highschool (by a bowling alley). I imagine someone showed up for league night and figured they would get their car later :) -- With the arrival of February I plan to post about looking forward to spring in the coming days. I will forward a draft link direct to your email or if you wish this link will only work on Thursday evening once it posts. This is exactly the wrong way to get people to read my posts as this link is dead until Thursday at 6 pm :) https://markdolan.substack.com/modern-smithing

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Mark Dolan's avatar

Couldn't figure out how to email you. Delayed gratification / disappointment with the above tomorrow night :)

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Geoffrey Golden's avatar

Another Buffalo native here. Jackie, I’m glad you love the snow so much, but my memories of it are mostly aggravating, like having to trudge through snow to get to and from school in subzero temperatures. And the months of gross brown snow sludge after the cute holiday season. Dirty snow in April and even May! I never got used to the cold or spending so much effort putting on layer after layer after layer of clothes...

Anyway, enjoy the snow. I’ll watch it on TV!

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Mark Dolan's avatar

Hi Geoffrey. I still have family in WNY. After so many years living in MN the differences are interesting. Everything just works here, lots of plows, lots of reliability. Schools rarely close, just a lot colder. So much activity outdoors during the winter months. I might take a look at your Newsletter. I write occasionally about Buffalo but pretty hit and miss. So much always comes back to the food it seems :) Here's a fun one you MIGHT ENJOY https://markdolan.substack.com/food-time-beef-on-weck . No matter how long I've been gone (40 years) it will always be home. As for your comment about the ugly snow in the spring; I joke with family that it snows much less here but there is a chance you can be walking on December crunchy snow in March. The US Mens Soccer team hosted a game here last night. They chose St. Paul for the homefield advantage as they were playing Honduras. The gametime temp was 3F and windchill -14F....yikes...in typical Minnesota style there was a great crowd.

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Geoffrey Golden's avatar

There are lots of things I love about Buffalo. The food is one of them! I’ll definitely check out your article about beef on weck. Luckily, a Buffalo transplant opened a roast beef sandwich place in LA that’s kinda like Anderson’s and is one of my favorite restaurants.

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Mark Dolan's avatar

For me when home it's Schwabl's or McPartlans -- I make the sliders for any party and they are always a hit.

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Mark Dolan's avatar

I am drafting a post for the future about The Mighty Taco and how a guy like me on a plant-based diet can make the inspiration work nowadays. No idea yet when that may happen as I do drafts and some never come to fruition.

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Geoffrey Golden's avatar

(singing) Mi-ghty Ta-co! Mi-ghty Ta-co!

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Jackie Dana's avatar

You know, growing up, I was always in awe of Buffalo NY. That city more than any other was mentioned on my local news for its snow totals. I didn’t know about most cities in the US, but I knew about Buffalo because they got so much snow. And when we drove through Buffalo on a family vacation (over the summer) I was like, “so this is where it is.” Seriously, it had this crazy status in my head because of the snow. So as a kid, I was jealous of anybody who lived there, but as an adult, I can totally see why maybe people from there aren’t fans of the stuff.

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Geoffrey Golden's avatar

I love that you thought of Buffalo as a magical snowy wonderland, instead of The Town That Lost All Those Super Bowls.

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Jackie Dana's avatar

Football? I have no clue about that. Just the snow!

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Mark Dolan's avatar

My wife and I were married in 1990. The Bills subsequently lost four straight Superbowls. Since my wife is a native Minnesotan (they've lost four also) we have concluded if there is ever a Bills/Vikings Superbowl it will go into overtime 0-0 and will be decided on a safety. :(

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Jackie Dana's avatar

I’m pretty sure I remember hearing about the 1977 blizzard. As I noted below, Buffalo was definitely on my radar back then because it was the snow king! I don’t know if the city still leaves the country in terms of snowfall, or if it even did back then, but I just remember hearing about it a lot on the news. Maybe it was just 1977, when I would’ve been 10? But anytime I hear about Buffalo to this day, it’s pretty much synonymous with snow. And honestly, that’s a good thing in my book. :-)

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Mark Dolan's avatar

It will always be home. What the years have taught me having lived on both coasts and settling where I am today is part of the aura was how inadequate the planning was so every big snowstorm was such an EMERGENCY in Buffalo! When I moved the first time to Minnesota, I remember becoming aware that despite the challenges of the weather, the Airport had NEVER CLOSED here! Planning and infrastructure of the modern world can make anyplace a joy. All of the major bridges in a place built around water are built with automated chemical dispensing so bridge decks don't freeze here even in the most challenging of conditions. There was so much controversy when a governor interceded to close the schools because it was "cold". The Scandinavian mindset was to never turn the kids into softies. My children in the 90s and 00s went to the bus stop when it was -15F and there was never drama or controversy about it. What the years have taught me is that is why people cross-country ski and bike on snowtires in the wintertime instread of just waiting out spring. The locals especially have figured out to not lockdown but rather embrace all of the seasons. I believe that in 25+ years I've only experienced a couple of power failures. Everything just works. As a kid, it was fun growing up in Buffalo. A big snow meant the city would be stifled for a week. Here, when that happens, it is odd/even, no exceptions and flatbeds just pick up the cars that are snowed in and the streets get cleaned. Two days after a "bad storm" the roads are clean to the asphalt. One of my future posts will be about the winter biking culture here. It is wild to see and still makes me laugh when I see as folks are biking on studded fat tires and commuting to work. Funny and alien to a visitor I would imagine.

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Matthew's avatar

Austin is gearing up for another snowstorm!

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Jackie Dana's avatar

Well, kinda. I saw photos. I wasn't impressed. 🤣

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Matthew's avatar

Hahaha, yeah it's just ice right now.

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Jackie Dana's avatar

I have to say, for a city that will have freezing temperatures for maybe 24 hours, everyone panicked quite well. The fact that so many people remembered last year so acutely bodes well for Beto’s run for governor.

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Matthew's avatar

We do panic probably better than anyone else. At least the coffee is good here!

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Jackie Dana's avatar

Yeah, Austin is really great for weather panic. So many Californians make it even more fun for the local (or the long-timers).

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John Gibson's avatar

I can't say that I share your enthusiasm for snow, but this is certainly a change of pace.

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Jackie Dana's avatar

I’m just sad right now that we’re sitting on ice and sleet and a little bit of snow. But a meteorologist I’ve come to respect has promised several times that we are on track for the previous forecast. We just have to get through the evening and then the storm will come overnight for STL. (Right now I have birds and the squirrels bulking up at my multi-feeder array.) for the storm.) By this time tomorrow, we will hopefully have between seven and 12 inches of glorious snow! ☃️🌨❄️

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David Gottfried's avatar

Of course you loved snow as a child. Any kid who doesn't adore the heaven-sent sugary topping is seriously maladjusted. Your continued adoration of snow, into adulthood, is indicative of a buoyant, optimistic streak in your psyche or, if I put on my grim psychoanalytic glasses, a decidedly juvenile nature.

I grew up in New York City, where the snow quickly became black and brown and gray, and was at times liberally flecked with dog shit (in my childhood people did not have to clean up after their canines), and most definitely did not taste like brown sugar.

Nevertheless, I loved it. A great snowstorm meant no school. When I was very young, everything, naturally, looked a lot bigger, and when we had great Noreasters, which deposited up to 24 inches of snow, and the piles of shoveled snow were as high as six feet, the mounds of sugar were positively Himalyan.

However, as I aged, it seemed as if people got more and more hysterical and frightened over the merest storms. When I was young, the media was busy getting bent out of shape over Vietnam, Civil rights and riots, and two to six inches of snow, in new york city, was not a major news event. I remember walking 10 blocks to elementary school with 6 inches on the ground, and we did not think anything of it. (Yeah, I know I sound like a think I'm Abe lincoln)

I first had an epiphany of America's growing weakness from January to March of 1981. I distinctly remember a day when the New York Post's front page was consumed by just four words: "TWO INCHES OF SNOW." (In this time frame, which coincided with an assassination attempt on President Reagan, another banner headline of the post consisted of only these words "A fever of 102," as the President, in the course of recovering, had a blip of a setback. )

Nowadays, the snow never seems as glorious as snow days of old.

Nowadays, the micey men flutter like frightened tulips about snow falls that are less than a foot. For example, in NY's last snow storm, most of the City got well under 12 inches, and some spots got measly readings of 4 to 8 inches. Nevertheless the histrionic mental midgets of the media spoke as if we were Leningrad, under the Nazi siege, freezing to death and starving.

And, Man, I really, really hate the reports of wind chills. They always exaggerate the cold by telling us that with the wind the temp really feels x degrees colder than it is. It's akin to drinking hot tea, when your temp is being taken, to fabricate a fever and get out of school.

The one bad thing about snow is its tendency to make me put on weight. In Philip Roth's HYSTERICALLY FUNNY Portnoy's Complaint, he speaks of following blond girls skating in a park. They all had hot chocolate after skating. Philip Roth also had hot chocolate. And now I have hot chocolate.

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Jackie Dana's avatar

I’ve never been a fan of the grungy snow, the snow that gets turned into brown and black from cars and so forth. And if the snow sticks around for a while, it always ends up being pretty gross and depressing. Put a fresh snowfall is wonderful.

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Chevanne Scordinsky's avatar

This year I decided to prepare for and accept winter instead of dreading it as in years before. I went to a friend who’s originally from Ohio for clothing advice. The mindset has helped. It’s not that bad. I have focused too much on it NOT being sunny instead of accepting that there are seasons and this one will pass.

Your story brought me back to the blizzard of 1996 in the NE when we got maybe 3 feet of snow and I was out of school for a week. What I loved was the orange glow to the sky, how utterly desolate the world looked blanketed with snow, but the best memory was the absolute silence during the storm. I remember standing in the porch with too little on and just listening.

It was nice to be brought back to that and also to what good can come from winter, like leaving beers out in the snow or having a good winter cleaning, opening the windows to the let the fresh air in, and then turning up the heat and getting cozy.

Thank you. 🙂

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Jackie Dana's avatar

Oh that’s so awesome! And as for what to wear in the winter? I haven’t quite sorted that out yet. I loathe heavy coats and being hot. so this winter I have an oversized fuzzy fleece jacket that really isn’t sufficient for a winter coat, but given that I rarely spend that much time outside when it’s that cold, it’s not that big a deal. I do have a couple of actual coats, but I almost never wear them, and even those are pretty lightweight. All of this is to say that when it matters, I layer, and that has worked for me far better than a winter coat over the years.

i’m glad you enjoyed the peace and it brought back memories. 🥰

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Mark Dolan's avatar

I played early morning tennis (indoors obviously) here in MN today. When I let the bubble it was -10F. On the way home, I got an invite from a friend to go for a walk this early afternoon. For me, I love the walks even on a cold day. It is (1) dri-fit short sleeve (2) cotton long sleeve (3) fleece light jacket (4) winter coat -- on top, thanks to the pandemic means (1) balaclava (2) mask -- finally a good use ; as the majority of the country endures snow and windy conditions today, we are in the season where it is too cold to snow for a while

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Mark Starlin's avatar

Of course, snow days were the best when I was a kid! No school!!! I grew up in Michigan so snow was common enough (thanks to the Great Lakes.) But sometimes, it was too much snow for the plows to keep up and school got cancelled.

As I got older, went to work of the airlines loading airplanes. So I had to work outside in the snow (not as much fun. 🤣)

Eventually, at age 36, I came to my senses and moved south to North Carolina where winters are mild and the sun still shines. But the second year were here, we got 26 inches of snow overnight. A freak snowstorm! It literally shut the state down for a week.

The city of Raleigh didn't own any snow plows, and the airport resorted to using construction graders, which chewed up the pavement. We had to walk in the snow to stores to buy food. But since we had just moved from Michigan, we actually had some sleds. The neighbor kids loved that! Our daughters and the neighbor kids sledded down our street, which was a nice hill.

Raleigh owns snow plows now. 🤣

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Jackie Dana's avatar

26 inches of snow! That’s more than St. Louis has ever had! That’s just amazing. I bet it was a huge mess.

I never had to work in the snow, so that might have changed my opinion of it. I definitely had to walk/ride my bike in it, and while that was usually no big deal, there were times when I really wished I didn’t have to. When it was really windy and snowy, it was impossible to keep truly warm when riding a bike. I used to wrap my head in a Keffiyeh, so my mouth and neck and ears were covered, but I wore glasses and they always fogged up.

But all in all, I love snow and even if it’s inconvenient, I really can’t complain too much.

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Mark Starlin's avatar

When I worked in Michigan, the snow was way better than the freezing rain. That was the worst. And since we had to drive under the big airplanes to load them. We had to drive open-air tugs. When it was really cold, your eyes and nose would freeze up. It was awful. I would wear about five layers of clothes. I do not miss that! 🤣

But, yeah. Snow is celebrated here because it such a novelty.

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Jackie Dana's avatar

Yeah that sounds awful. I bet the wind was horrible out on the tarmac too.

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Mark Starlin's avatar

At times.

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Mark Dolan's avatar

A different thread Jackie. I saw this post again and just enjoyed your enthusiasm. This time around I noticed how happy Opal looked. Dogs genuinely embrace the snow and it it so fun to watch. Our old cocker spaniel Denny loves to stick his face into an adjacent snow bank and then just snort. Must like the feeling of the cold snow or perhaps likes to taste it just like you.

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